<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.2.1" -->
<rss version="2.0" 
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/">
<channel>
	<title>Comments for A Friendly Letter, The Blog.</title>
	<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php</link>
	<description>Independent Quaker Journalism &#038; Commentary. By Chuck Fager.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1</generator>

	<item>
		<title>Comment on AFSC &#038; Quakers I: The Background Of A Concern by Debbie Kimball</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-quakers-i-the-background-of-a-concern/#comment-1858</link>
		<author>Debbie Kimball</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-quakers-i-the-background-of-a-concern/#comment-1858</guid>
		<description>Thank you for the reality check!
How can AFSC have Friendly process and action when:
--Its decision in the '70s to hire minorities (you perceive as "secular"?) means overwhelmingly non-Friend and inexperienced/unidentified with AFSC (let alone with Friends and other peaceniks)--and meantime, Friendly women who used to staff--unpaid--AFSC went into the paid workforce?
--Quakes of this era refuse to evangeliZe--even persuade--the "strangers" among AFSC?
--It operates in many locations, including international, and has hierarchies and centraliZation, such that decision-making is not face-to-face and open?
--At the top rung of the hierarchy is all Quakers, who make decisions for near-totally unknown maybe-part-Quaker "hirelings" and volunteers?  Have Board or Corporation ever met outside Philadelphia, let alone split up to Friendly face-to-face siZe?
--Donating money is an impersonal substitute for experiencing by (disappearing) volunteers?
--Area (even Regional) offices and Meetings have no regular (as far as I know) dialogues, so why should we expect the connection to remain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the reality check!<br />
How can AFSC have Friendly process and action when:<br />
&#8211;Its decision in the &#8217;70s to hire minorities (you perceive as &#8220;secular&#8221;?) means overwhelmingly non-Friend and inexperienced/unidentified with AFSC (let alone with Friends and other peaceniks)&#8211;and meantime, Friendly women who used to staff&#8211;unpaid&#8211;AFSC went into the paid workforce?<br />
&#8211;Quakes of this era refuse to evangeliZe&#8211;even persuade&#8211;the &#8220;strangers&#8221; among AFSC?<br />
&#8211;It operates in many locations, including international, and has hierarchies and centraliZation, such that decision-making is not face-to-face and open?<br />
&#8211;At the top rung of the hierarchy is all Quakers, who make decisions for near-totally unknown maybe-part-Quaker &#8220;hirelings&#8221; and volunteers?  Have Board or Corporation ever met outside Philadelphia, let alone split up to Friendly face-to-face siZe?<br />
&#8211;Donating money is an impersonal substitute for experiencing by (disappearing) volunteers?<br />
&#8211;Area (even Regional) offices and Meetings have no regular (as far as I know) dialogues, so why should we expect the connection to remain?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Quaker Voluntary Service: Big Questions for An Idea Whose Time Might Have Come . . .Or Not by Jeremy Mott</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/quaker-voluntary-service-big-questions-for-an-idea-whose-time-might-have-come-or-not/#comment-1845</link>
		<author>Jeremy Mott</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 04:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/quaker-voluntary-service-big-questions-for-an-idea-whose-time-might-have-come-or-not/#comment-1845</guid>
		<description>Frends, my comment has been up for two weeks and nobody has
replied.  So I ask again.  Why do we need a big program of
Quaker Volunteer Service?  The Church of the Brethren already
has one going for us that almost all Friends should find com-
pletely satisfactory.  Let's tell our young people about it, in
every Quaker meeting and school.  In many cases, BVS
volunteers are eligible for substantial Americorps scholarships
after their service.  No doubt BVS  would set up a special
orientation for Friends.  Of course, Friends should pay for
the privilege of using BVS in numbers; the Brethren certainly
need the money; we can raise it for AFSC to pay them.

The whole thing is an example of re-inventing the wheel.
BVS has been around, very successful, for more than 60
years. The Church of the Brethren is a great group.  They
are far more ecumenical, both internally and externally,
than the other peace churches.  They have on annual
conference for the whole world, which makes its decisions
by majority vote.  They decided 15 or 20 years ago, I
think, to allow gay and lesbian marriages.   Tneir 
evangelical members hated this decision, but the church
did not splinter.

What we DO need, I think,is an information service that
would collect and publish information about as many as
possible of the opportunities for Quaker volunteering
and Quaker internships that now exist.  There are
African Great Lakes Initiative workcamps in Rwanda.
Burundi, and Kenya.  There are FUM workcamps in
Cuba, and FUM service opportunites for teachers of
English in Palestine and Belize.  AFSC has had a person
in Burundi for years. QUNO has interns in Geneva, and
FCNL has interns in Washington.  Center on Conscience
and War uses volunteers, and so does Quaker House
of Fayetteville.  Many yearly meetings have summer
camps, and often they welcome volunteers to work in
the off-season.  The Quaker missions on American
Indian reservations could use volunteers.  One could
go on and on in this way.  A little info service, with
maybe a half-time staff person, could spread this 
information around, by computer and on paper, to
Friends meeings and schools everywhere in North
America.  Now this would be something small, but
might be very useful.          Jeremy Mott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frends, my comment has been up for two weeks and nobody has<br />
replied.  So I ask again.  Why do we need a big program of<br />
Quaker Volunteer Service?  The Church of the Brethren already<br />
has one going for us that almost all Friends should find com-<br />
pletely satisfactory.  Let&#8217;s tell our young people about it, in<br />
every Quaker meeting and school.  In many cases, BVS<br />
volunteers are eligible for substantial Americorps scholarships<br />
after their service.  No doubt BVS  would set up a special<br />
orientation for Friends.  Of course, Friends should pay for<br />
the privilege of using BVS in numbers; the Brethren certainly<br />
need the money; we can raise it for AFSC to pay them.</p>
<p>The whole thing is an example of re-inventing the wheel.<br />
BVS has been around, very successful, for more than 60<br />
years. The Church of the Brethren is a great group.  They<br />
are far more ecumenical, both internally and externally,<br />
than the other peace churches.  They have on annual<br />
conference for the whole world, which makes its decisions<br />
by majority vote.  They decided 15 or 20 years ago, I<br />
think, to allow gay and lesbian marriages.   Tneir<br />
evangelical members hated this decision, but the church<br />
did not splinter.</p>
<p>What we DO need, I think,is an information service that<br />
would collect and publish information about as many as<br />
possible of the opportunities for Quaker volunteering<br />
and Quaker internships that now exist.  There are<br />
African Great Lakes Initiative workcamps in Rwanda.<br />
Burundi, and Kenya.  There are FUM workcamps in<br />
Cuba, and FUM service opportunites for teachers of<br />
English in Palestine and Belize.  AFSC has had a person<br />
in Burundi for years. QUNO has interns in Geneva, and<br />
FCNL has interns in Washington.  Center on Conscience<br />
and War uses volunteers, and so does Quaker House<br />
of Fayetteville.  Many yearly meetings have summer<br />
camps, and often they welcome volunteers to work in<br />
the off-season.  The Quaker missions on American<br />
Indian reservations could use volunteers.  One could<br />
go on and on in this way.  A little info service, with<br />
maybe a half-time staff person, could spread this<br />
information around, by computer and on paper, to<br />
Friends meeings and schools everywhere in North<br />
America.  Now this would be something small, but<br />
might be very useful.          Jeremy Mott</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FUM - The Great Quaker Turnover Continues by Jeremy Mott</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1834</link>
		<author>Jeremy Mott</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1834</guid>
		<description>There's still another thing that I think
all North American Friends need to
keep in mind all the time:
In the South, Friends are still growing
in numbers.  But in the rest of North
America, Friends----all sorts of Friends
----are rapidly shrinking, or at best
stable.  Yet worldwide, the Religious
Society of Friends is a fast-growing
church indeed.  There is a new yearly
meeting---usually but by no means
always evangelical---or an independent
monthly meeting (no yearly meeting)
in some corner or other of the world
every two or three years.  There are
two or three times as many Friends in
the world as there were in 1970. It's
quite obvious that God has a use for
the RSOF worldwide, even if the RSOF
in North America is reduced to a
pitiful remnant.
If you want evidence of this, study the
website of the Asia and West Pacific
Section of FWCC.  Their newsletter is
now published in Hindi as well as
English.  There are new yearly meetings
of Friends in the Phillippines, Nepal, and
Indonesia.  Or take a look at the list
of yearly and monthly meetings and
worship groups around the world provided
for potential subscribers to The Friend.
        Jeremy Mott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s still another thing that I think<br />
all North American Friends need to<br />
keep in mind all the time:<br />
In the South, Friends are still growing<br />
in numbers.  But in the rest of North<br />
America, Friends&#8212;-all sorts of Friends<br />
&#8212;-are rapidly shrinking, or at best<br />
stable.  Yet worldwide, the Religious<br />
Society of Friends is a fast-growing<br />
church indeed.  There is a new yearly<br />
meeting&#8212;usually but by no means<br />
always evangelical&#8212;or an independent<br />
monthly meeting (no yearly meeting)<br />
in some corner or other of the world<br />
every two or three years.  There are<br />
two or three times as many Friends in<br />
the world as there were in 1970. It&#8217;s<br />
quite obvious that God has a use for<br />
the RSOF worldwide, even if the RSOF<br />
in North America is reduced to a<br />
pitiful remnant.<br />
If you want evidence of this, study the<br />
website of the Asia and West Pacific<br />
Section of FWCC.  Their newsletter is<br />
now published in Hindi as well as<br />
English.  There are new yearly meetings<br />
of Friends in the Phillippines, Nepal, and<br />
Indonesia.  Or take a look at the list<br />
of yearly and monthly meetings and<br />
worship groups around the world provided<br />
for potential subscribers to The Friend.<br />
        Jeremy Mott</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FUM - The Great Quaker Turnover Continues by Jeremy Mott</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1833</link>
		<author>Jeremy Mott</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1833</guid>
		<description>Friends, please bear with me a bit longer.
The struggle in Five Years Meeting/Friends United
Meeting actually began long before 1902 when
Five Years Meeting was formed.  It began in
1882 when the Richmond Declaration of 
Faith was written, and even before that.

Baltimore Yearly Meeting (Orthodox), though
its representatives helped write this declaration,
never accepted it, never published it in their
book of discipline.  I believe the same may
be true for New York Yearly Meeting (Orthodox);
if they did  publish it, they no doubt stated that
Friends were not required or even expected to
accept it.  Many Friends in many Orthodox 
yearly meetngs, especially Friends who
taught in the Quaker colleges, felt the same
way.  Ohio Y.M. (Damascus)---now Evangelical
Friends Church--Eastern Region---was not
even invited to take part in the Richmond
conference of 1882---because it was too far
to the theological right already, and the 
outward sacraments were (and are) in use
in that yearly meeting.

Free, you can rest assured that most of
the liberal or "modernist" Christian Friends
in FYM/FUM would accept you, in 1902 or
today; but some of the fundamentalists
would not.  For it takes only a slight amount
of Bible study to understand the roots of
the dreadful anti-Semitism to be found
in all four gospels.    Jeremy Mott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends, please bear with me a bit longer.<br />
The struggle in Five Years Meeting/Friends United<br />
Meeting actually began long before 1902 when<br />
Five Years Meeting was formed.  It began in<br />
1882 when the Richmond Declaration of<br />
Faith was written, and even before that.</p>
<p>Baltimore Yearly Meeting (Orthodox), though<br />
its representatives helped write this declaration,<br />
never accepted it, never published it in their<br />
book of discipline.  I believe the same may<br />
be true for New York Yearly Meeting (Orthodox);<br />
if they did  publish it, they no doubt stated that<br />
Friends were not required or even expected to<br />
accept it.  Many Friends in many Orthodox<br />
yearly meetngs, especially Friends who<br />
taught in the Quaker colleges, felt the same<br />
way.  Ohio Y.M. (Damascus)&#8212;now Evangelical<br />
Friends Church&#8211;Eastern Region&#8212;was not<br />
even invited to take part in the Richmond<br />
conference of 1882&#8212;because it was too far<br />
to the theological right already, and the<br />
outward sacraments were (and are) in use<br />
in that yearly meeting.</p>
<p>Free, you can rest assured that most of<br />
the liberal or &#8220;modernist&#8221; Christian Friends<br />
in FYM/FUM would accept you, in 1902 or<br />
today; but some of the fundamentalists<br />
would not.  For it takes only a slight amount<br />
of Bible study to understand the roots of<br />
the dreadful anti-Semitism to be found<br />
in all four gospels.    Jeremy Mott</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FUM - The Great Quaker Turnover Continues by Jeremy Mott</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1831</link>
		<author>Jeremy Mott</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1831</guid>
		<description>Friends, the struggle in Friends United Meeting
is probably terminal.  This is a tragedy, because
several important ministries abroad depend
on FUM.  Nothing in the U.S.A. anymore except
Quaker Life magazine, an important exception.

The struggle in FUM began long before anyone
had conceived of united or dually affiliated
yearly meetings; they are simply the scapegoat.
The struggle in FUM was not the Hicksite-Orthodox
struggle at all.  It was a struggle between two
Orthodox factions, beginning in 1902 when Five
Years Meeting formed and continuing ever since.
On one side were liberal Christian or "modernist"
Friends, led by Baltimore(Orthodox) and New
York (Orthodox) yearly meetings.  These
Friends believed in studying not worshiping
the Bible.  On the other side were highly
"evandelical", even fundamentalist Friends,
led by Oregon (now Northwest Y.M.),  which
departed from Five Years Meeting in 1926.
Other similar yearly meeings have departed
since then; but there are still many funda-
mentalists in FUM (and, ironically, many
liberal Christian Friends in the Evangelical
Friends International yearly meetings).

Friends outside FUM can only hope and pray'
that my prediction is wrong, and FUM will
remain, as it always was, a coalition of all
sorts of Quaker Christians.   Jeremy Mott .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends, the struggle in Friends United Meeting<br />
is probably terminal.  This is a tragedy, because<br />
several important ministries abroad depend<br />
on FUM.  Nothing in the U.S.A. anymore except<br />
Quaker Life magazine, an important exception.</p>
<p>The struggle in FUM began long before anyone<br />
had conceived of united or dually affiliated<br />
yearly meetings; they are simply the scapegoat.<br />
The struggle in FUM was not the Hicksite-Orthodox<br />
struggle at all.  It was a struggle between two<br />
Orthodox factions, beginning in 1902 when Five<br />
Years Meeting formed and continuing ever since.<br />
On one side were liberal Christian or &#8220;modernist&#8221;<br />
Friends, led by Baltimore(Orthodox) and New<br />
York (Orthodox) yearly meetings.  These<br />
Friends believed in studying not worshiping<br />
the Bible.  On the other side were highly<br />
&#8220;evandelical&#8221;, even fundamentalist Friends,<br />
led by Oregon (now Northwest Y.M.),  which<br />
departed from Five Years Meeting in 1926.<br />
Other similar yearly meeings have departed<br />
since then; but there are still many funda-<br />
mentalists in FUM (and, ironically, many<br />
liberal Christian Friends in the Evangelical<br />
Friends International yearly meetings).</p>
<p>Friends outside FUM can only hope and pray&#8217;<br />
that my prediction is wrong, and FUM will<br />
remain, as it always was, a coalition of all<br />
sorts of Quaker Christians.   Jeremy Mott .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on FUM - The Great Quaker Turnover Continues by Jeremy Mott</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1832</link>
		<author>Jeremy Mott</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/fum-the-great-quaker-turnover-continues/#comment-1832</guid>
		<description>Friends, the struggle in Friends United Meeting
is probably terminal.  This is a tragedy, because
several important ministries abroad depend
on FUM.  Nothing in the U.S.A. anymore except
Quaker Life magazine, an important exception.

The struggle in FUM began long before anyone
had conceived of united or dually affiliated
yearly meetings; they are simply the scapegoat.
The struggle in FUM was not the Hicksite-Orthodox
struggle at all.  It was a struggle between two
Orthodox factions, beginning in 1902 when Five
Years Meeting formed and continuing ever since.
On one side were liberal Christian or "modernist"
Friends, led by Baltimore(Orthodox) and New
York (Orthodox) yearly meetings.  These
Friends believed in studying not worshiping
the Bible.  On the other side were highly
"evandelical", even fundamentalist Friends,
led by Oregon (now Northwest Y.M.),  which
departed from Five Years Meeting in 1926.
Other similar yearly meeings have departed
since then; but there are still many funda-
mentalists in FUM (and, ironically, many
liberal Christian Friends in the Evangelical
Friends International yearly meetings).

Friends outside FUM can only hope and pray'
that my prediction is wrong, and FUM will
remain, as it always was, a coalition of all
sorts of Quaker Christians.   Jeremy Mott .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends, the struggle in Friends United Meeting<br />
is probably terminal.  This is a tragedy, because<br />
several important ministries abroad depend<br />
on FUM.  Nothing in the U.S.A. anymore except<br />
Quaker Life magazine, an important exception.</p>
<p>The struggle in FUM began long before anyone<br />
had conceived of united or dually affiliated<br />
yearly meetings; they are simply the scapegoat.<br />
The struggle in FUM was not the Hicksite-Orthodox<br />
struggle at all.  It was a struggle between two<br />
Orthodox factions, beginning in 1902 when Five<br />
Years Meeting formed and continuing ever since.<br />
On one side were liberal Christian or &#8220;modernist&#8221;<br />
Friends, led by Baltimore(Orthodox) and New<br />
York (Orthodox) yearly meetings.  These<br />
Friends believed in studying not worshiping<br />
the Bible.  On the other side were highly<br />
&#8220;evandelical&#8221;, even fundamentalist Friends,<br />
led by Oregon (now Northwest Y.M.),  which<br />
departed from Five Years Meeting in 1926.<br />
Other similar yearly meeings have departed<br />
since then; but there are still many funda-<br />
mentalists in FUM (and, ironically, many<br />
liberal Christian Friends in the Evangelical<br />
Friends International yearly meetings).</p>
<p>Friends outside FUM can only hope and pray&#8217;<br />
that my prediction is wrong, and FUM will<br />
remain, as it always was, a coalition of all<br />
sorts of Quaker Christians.   Jeremy Mott .</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on AFSC &#038; Friends - Part III: Down &#038; Dirty With Compost Theology by Jim Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-friends-part-iii-down-dirty-with-compost-theology/#comment-1823</link>
		<author>Jim Wilson</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-friends-part-iii-down-dirty-with-compost-theology/#comment-1823</guid>
		<description>Dear Chuck:

I've heard from a number of blogs and other Quaker sites similar observations that Quakers today do not know their history or the bare basics of what it means to be a Quaker.  But I am wondering, what, in your view, would constitute a Basic Quaker Curriculum (BQC)?  I think it's time to get specific so that the discussion can move forward.  I would venture the Bible, the Journal of George Fox, Journal of John Wooldman, Barclay's Apology, and a good history of the Quakers.  These are just off the top of my head.  As someone much more knowledgeable, I'd be interested in knowing what you think would constitute a good BQC.

Sincerely,

Jim

Hi Jim--

    Sugest a start withmy book, "Without Apology," after a lengthy browse through the pieces linked on this page: http://quaker.org/quest/webtheology-quaker.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Chuck:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard from a number of blogs and other Quaker sites similar observations that Quakers today do not know their history or the bare basics of what it means to be a Quaker.  But I am wondering, what, in your view, would constitute a Basic Quaker Curriculum (BQC)?  I think it&#8217;s time to get specific so that the discussion can move forward.  I would venture the Bible, the Journal of George Fox, Journal of John Wooldman, Barclay&#8217;s Apology, and a good history of the Quakers.  These are just off the top of my head.  As someone much more knowledgeable, I&#8217;d be interested in knowing what you think would constitute a good BQC.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Jim</p>
<p>Hi Jim&#8211;</p>
<p>    Sugest a start withmy book, &#8220;Without Apology,&#8221; after a lengthy browse through the pieces linked on this page: <a href="http://quaker.org/quest/webtheology-quaker.htm" rel="nofollow">http://quaker.org/quest/webtheology-quaker.htm</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on AFSC &#038; Friends - Part III: Down &#038; Dirty With Compost Theology by Joe Franko</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-friends-part-iii-down-dirty-with-compost-theology/#comment-1785</link>
		<author>Joe Franko</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-friends-part-iii-down-dirty-with-compost-theology/#comment-1785</guid>
		<description>Chuck, as usual you give us much to chew on, though I think the "problem" for modern Friends is to see that we have moved from being the prophetic religion of G. Fox to being the reconciling religion of modern Friends. Much of the power of our prophetic witness has been lost and AFSC, like most Friends and Friends organizations, has moved firmly into the reconciling witness of Friends. Many of our Meetings are uncomfortable with Friend's prophetic voice, preferring instead to come down on the side of our reconciling role. We readily accept anyone into membership because we see ourselves as seekers, while early Friends weren't seekers but Publishers of the Truth. Fox tried as hard as he could to distance himself from the Seekers of his time. And they weren't shy about proclaiming that truth. We were known as the Religious Society of Friends and Publisher of the Truth.

Now I'm not advocating here a return to early Quakerism, just a need to balance both our reconciling and our prophetic witness. To do the work of the Spirit/God in the world we need both kinds of witness, but many modern Friends are incresingly uncomfortable with our prophetic witness, incorrectly labeling it as some form of "violence." We have become increasingly uncomfortable with being Publishers of the Truth and in fact many modern Friends would no longer recognize that as one of our first monikers! Indeed, how many spiritual journals are Friends publishing these days? How much of our publishing is simply political tracts? We have forgotten that the basis of our work in the world is the Spirit, not the Politic. 

Many in Meeting shy away from talking about what they believe and we find ourselves increasingly draw to a common-denominator Quakerism. Quakerism by consensus. We have become Seekers and Quietists, especially quiet about what we believe and increasingly reluctant to espouse any beliefs for fear of offending someone. George would hardly recognize where his flock has gotten to, and as a "liberal" Friend I am often envious, though often in disagreement, with evangelical Friends who are not shy about proclaiming the good news they have found. As a gay man I clearly disagree with their theology! As a Friend I am envious they have one!

What many Friends and Friend's organizations have lost in the shift from the prophetic to the reconciling is the power of the prophetic. AFSC should be out ahead of Friend's Meetings as the most prophetic voice we have in the world. We should accept that Friends Meetings will always be uncomfortable with our prophetic voice, seeing that discomfort as a call to see whether we have "outrun our light."  I, in fact, don't think the AFSC is doing its work without stirring up Meetings and Friends, yet too often it has backed away when it clearly had not outrun its light. In the new change in leadership, I would hope the AFSC would look to and use its prophetic voice to stir us up. To challenge us. To speak truth with power and not apologize to Friends for doing its job. I long for an AFSC that owns its prophetic voice, not abandoning its reconciling voice but speaking with the power of its vision, guided by the Spirit and the work we are being called to do in the World.

"Where there is no vision, the people perish." A vision requires a prophetic voice. A prophetic voice comes from the depths of our spirituality. I fear that too often our spirituality has no depth. Keeping to our reconciling witness we float and fear to plumb the depths. We need our prophetic witness to float above the works of the world, but only our prophetic witness can help us sink to the depths of our spirituality. We will often make mistakes if we sink to those depths, but without sinking to those depths we merely float on the surface of a Quakerism tossing and turning on the waves of politic and unable to sink to the depths of true spirituality.

Many years ago I attended a worship service in Martin Luther King, Jr.'s church. I clearly heard the Spirit in that service. I understood in a way I had never understood the power behind King's prophetic voice. It has always colored my nonviolence and my reconciling witness. His "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" remains a piece of writing I turn to again and again. Next to the Spirit I felt in that Church service, our Meetings are mostly just skimming the surface. The experience of a Gathered Meeting becomes rarer and mostly a thing of the past, more often brought about by our reconciling witness than our prophetic witness.

I thank God for the AFSC, which, though it often fails, is still Friend's best chance to reclaim our prophetic witness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, as usual you give us much to chew on, though I think the &#8220;problem&#8221; for modern Friends is to see that we have moved from being the prophetic religion of G. Fox to being the reconciling religion of modern Friends. Much of the power of our prophetic witness has been lost and AFSC, like most Friends and Friends organizations, has moved firmly into the reconciling witness of Friends. Many of our Meetings are uncomfortable with Friend&#8217;s prophetic voice, preferring instead to come down on the side of our reconciling role. We readily accept anyone into membership because we see ourselves as seekers, while early Friends weren&#8217;t seekers but Publishers of the Truth. Fox tried as hard as he could to distance himself from the Seekers of his time. And they weren&#8217;t shy about proclaiming that truth. We were known as the Religious Society of Friends and Publisher of the Truth.</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m not advocating here a return to early Quakerism, just a need to balance both our reconciling and our prophetic witness. To do the work of the Spirit/God in the world we need both kinds of witness, but many modern Friends are incresingly uncomfortable with our prophetic witness, incorrectly labeling it as some form of &#8220;violence.&#8221; We have become increasingly uncomfortable with being Publishers of the Truth and in fact many modern Friends would no longer recognize that as one of our first monikers! Indeed, how many spiritual journals are Friends publishing these days? How much of our publishing is simply political tracts? We have forgotten that the basis of our work in the world is the Spirit, not the Politic. </p>
<p>Many in Meeting shy away from talking about what they believe and we find ourselves increasingly draw to a common-denominator Quakerism. Quakerism by consensus. We have become Seekers and Quietists, especially quiet about what we believe and increasingly reluctant to espouse any beliefs for fear of offending someone. George would hardly recognize where his flock has gotten to, and as a &#8220;liberal&#8221; Friend I am often envious, though often in disagreement, with evangelical Friends who are not shy about proclaiming the good news they have found. As a gay man I clearly disagree with their theology! As a Friend I am envious they have one!</p>
<p>What many Friends and Friend&#8217;s organizations have lost in the shift from the prophetic to the reconciling is the power of the prophetic. AFSC should be out ahead of Friend&#8217;s Meetings as the most prophetic voice we have in the world. We should accept that Friends Meetings will always be uncomfortable with our prophetic voice, seeing that discomfort as a call to see whether we have &#8220;outrun our light.&#8221;  I, in fact, don&#8217;t think the AFSC is doing its work without stirring up Meetings and Friends, yet too often it has backed away when it clearly had not outrun its light. In the new change in leadership, I would hope the AFSC would look to and use its prophetic voice to stir us up. To challenge us. To speak truth with power and not apologize to Friends for doing its job. I long for an AFSC that owns its prophetic voice, not abandoning its reconciling voice but speaking with the power of its vision, guided by the Spirit and the work we are being called to do in the World.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where there is no vision, the people perish.&#8221; A vision requires a prophetic voice. A prophetic voice comes from the depths of our spirituality. I fear that too often our spirituality has no depth. Keeping to our reconciling witness we float and fear to plumb the depths. We need our prophetic witness to float above the works of the world, but only our prophetic witness can help us sink to the depths of our spirituality. We will often make mistakes if we sink to those depths, but without sinking to those depths we merely float on the surface of a Quakerism tossing and turning on the waves of politic and unable to sink to the depths of true spirituality.</p>
<p>Many years ago I attended a worship service in Martin Luther King, Jr.&#8217;s church. I clearly heard the Spirit in that service. I understood in a way I had never understood the power behind King&#8217;s prophetic voice. It has always colored my nonviolence and my reconciling witness. His &#8220;Letter from a Birmingham Jail&#8221; remains a piece of writing I turn to again and again. Next to the Spirit I felt in that Church service, our Meetings are mostly just skimming the surface. The experience of a Gathered Meeting becomes rarer and mostly a thing of the past, more often brought about by our reconciling witness than our prophetic witness.</p>
<p>I thank God for the AFSC, which, though it often fails, is still Friend&#8217;s best chance to reclaim our prophetic witness!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on Clash of the Titans: Grandkid Meets Grand Kitty by Free Polazzo</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/uncategorized/clash-of-the-titans-grandkid-meets-grand-kitty/#comment-1784</link>
		<author>Free Polazzo</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/uncategorized/clash-of-the-titans-grandkid-meets-grand-kitty/#comment-1784</guid>
		<description>Hey Chuck,   

Your Grandchild?    

That makes you

SUPER GRANDPA!

best job ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chuck,   </p>
<p>Your Grandchild?    </p>
<p>That makes you</p>
<p>SUPER GRANDPA!</p>
<p>best job ever!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>Comment on AFSC &#038; Friends - Part III: Down &#038; Dirty With Compost Theology by ben</title>
		<link>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-friends-part-iii-down-dirty-with-compost-theology/#comment-1774</link>
		<author>ben</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 05:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.afriendlyletter.com/index.php/hard-core-quaker/afsc-friends-part-iii-down-dirty-with-compost-theology/#comment-1774</guid>
		<description>Yay, I should have known you were part of that excellent post. 
I sorry if I gave the impression that I somehow discouraged talk of christian thought or of any other thought for that matter, no I merely observe that there is a strong subset of adults who want to come to a junior meeting and won't stop weeping over the baby jesus,  and that stuff simply sends the kids home, or makes them intolerably rude to the poor person trying to share their thing.
I do see this as more of a problem I should be nicer about now having read this post.Thanks again.
Ben Schultz

&lt;strong&gt;Chuck replies: Hey, I like Jesus, but too many of his would-be friends do turn him into an insufferable dork. The gotta do better.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay, I should have known you were part of that excellent post.<br />
I sorry if I gave the impression that I somehow discouraged talk of christian thought or of any other thought for that matter, no I merely observe that there is a strong subset of adults who want to come to a junior meeting and won&#8217;t stop weeping over the baby jesus,  and that stuff simply sends the kids home, or makes them intolerably rude to the poor person trying to share their thing.<br />
I do see this as more of a problem I should be nicer about now having read this post.Thanks again.<br />
Ben Schultz</p>
<p><strong>Chuck replies: Hey, I like Jesus, but too many of his would-be friends do turn him into an insufferable dork. The gotta do better.</strong></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
